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JJHP3
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Oct 18, 2007, 12:51 PM

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Hi Experienced Folks-

I have a list of AU / sound questions for which I can't find info in the manual or elsewhere... using the very latest core Isadora on a MBP 2.33, OSX 10.4.9 and QT 7.1.6

Here goes:

1. From all the crashes I've had, it seems as if one must use an AUSplitter in order to send a sound stream to multiple actors. True, or other ways to send the signal?

2. Why is there an 'audio out' port on the DefaultOutputDevice? What might one do with this feature?

3. When using 3rd party AU plugins from folks like Pluggo or Daevl, I notice that when I choose a factory preset, it doesn't feed the numbers into the corresponding boxes in the AU actor. So there is no way to save or snapshot a useful setting without copying all the numbers. I maybe lazy but I think this is a pain... any way around this?

4. When using AU FilePlayer, there is no way to start the file playing - this seems strange and something I must be doing wrong... if I switch to another scene and back it starts playing. None of the input or output actors' Off/On make a difference. Help?

5. How do y'all use the AUMatrixMixer? Looks interesting - could someone send an example to enlighten me?

Thanks as always for any advice on these topics,

John


Mark Coniglio
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Oct 24, 2007, 1:55 AM

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1. From all the crashes I've had, it seems as if one must use an AUSplitter in order to send a sound stream to multiple actors. True, or other ways to send the signal?


This is true. I guess I mistakenly didn't anticipate people running the audio through the router/selector actors, which was a silly mistake on my part. I will need to address this in a future version, but for now, AUMixers, AUMatrixMixers, and AUSplitters are the way to go. They are actually fairly low overhead.


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2. Why is there an 'audio out' port on the DefaultOutputDevice? What might one do with this feature?


Well there are actually three: DefaultOutputUnit, SystemOutputUnit and AudioDeviceOutput. The problem former two rely on the settings of the Audio MIDI Setup application to determine where the audio goes. The latter needs to be worked on by me to allow you to specify a _specific_ output device. There is currently no way to specify this, so this last actor cannot be meaningfully used at this time.


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3. When using 3rd party AU plugins from folks like Pluggo or Daevl, I notice that when I choose a factory preset, it doesn't feed the numbers into the corresponding boxes in the AU actor. So there is no way to save or snapshot a useful setting without copying all the numbers. I maybe lazy but I think this is a pain... any way around this?


Not only that, you can't edit settings in a Graphic User Interface for the Audio Units when you double click on it. This will be fixed, and is on my list, but unfortunately requires a serious update to the program that may introduce other bugs. So I'm working on it.

In the meantime, you might try using Isadora's Snapshot feature -- it will take a snapshot of all input values, and restore them at a later time. Though, this is for the whole scene, not for a particular actor.


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4. When using AU FilePlayer, there is no way to start the file playing - this seems strange and something I must be doing wrong... if I switch to another scene and back it starts playing. None of the input or output actors' Off/On make a difference. Help?


Well, I think you submitted a bug on this and I fixed it, no? Now the AUAudioFilePlayer respects the 'active' input when you enter a scene. Is this not fixed in your version?


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5. How do y'all use the AUMatrixMixer? Looks interesting - could someone send an example to enlighten me?


The Matrix Mixer allows you to accept input streams with any number of inputs, and route those to an output stream with any number of outputs. The volume of each input channel can be individually controlled. So it's really like you have a grid of input linked to outputs (crosspoints) and each volume can be individually controlled allowing for sophisticated re-routing of the signal.

Well, basically there are three key inputs: 'inputs', 'in channels' and 'out channels'. Let's start with 'in channels' set to 2 (for stereo) and 'out channels' set to 2. Then set the 'inputs' input to 3. This would allow you to mix three stereo feeds into a single stereo output. You can see that each channel has four settings: 'in 1 - out 1', 'in1 -out2', 'in2 - out1', 'in2 - out2'. So the first one controls the volume of the left channel (in1) and routes it to the left output channel (out1). The second controls the volume of the left channel (in1) and routes it to the right output channel (out2). Hopefully you see the pattern here.

But as you can see, if you do something like 4 input channels and 4 output channels, and 5 inputs, the actor gets totally huge. This actor desparately needs a GUI, and I have plans to make it. But at least for the moment, it can be very useful to convert a mono signal to stereo or quad or more (in channels = 1, out channels = 1/2/4, etc.) or to pull out one channel of an 8 channel input (e.g., the one that might come in from your MOTU 828.)

Hopefully that helps some... I know this stuff needs improved documentation and examples. But I hope this bits of information will help you and others proceed.

Best Wishes,
Mark

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JJHP3
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Oct 24, 2007, 11:57 AM

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Thanks Mark for such a helpful reply - answers some but not all my questions/comments. Here goes another batch!

1. Still don't understand the purpose of an audio out on the Output actors... (your answer #2)

2. About 3rd party AU plugins - I can modify the GUI for most pluggos FWIW. Snapshot does not capture the plugin settings seen in the GUI window however -(your answer #3)

3. Only being able to start audio from a SoundInput when changing scenes seems weird to me...

4. Is it your experience that the AUmixer sums the inputs? ie, to not overload the output structure, should one reduce the fader from 1.0 when adding another input?

5. Is there any thing wrong about using 16 splitters in a user actor as a way of sending snd input around to different effects?

6. I tried to use AUMatrixMixer as a replacement for the above super-splitter, but don't understand the relationship of "SoundInput" which I have receiving 2 chls from my 828 and the inputs on the matrix. Even if I have 5 outputs, there is only "out1" and that, when connected to AUdelay for example, makes this error message: "error -10868 format not supported" - so I made 2 SoundInputs, one for each channel, but couldn't get any sound into a matrix with 2 inputs (see pict) - sorry I'm so dense about this...

7. BTW, the disappearing cable problem is still around, but more easily remedied by choosing "cancel link" from the control menu - then it starts working again... maybe a hint as the source of the problem?

Thanks for all your efforts!

John
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debsinha
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Oct 24, 2007, 2:21 PM

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hi there
um, where are all these actors? i can't seem to find them.
thanks in advance...i know they are probably somewhere obvious but....


JJHP3
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Oct 24, 2007, 2:42 PM

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Hi

They come with the Core version of Izzy. Costs extra... neat stuff though!

John

 
 
 


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