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BrunoBruno
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Jun 11, 2007, 5:49 PM

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Hello i am working on a show and having some simple playback issues.

I have several scenes and it seems that when i jump from one scene to the next i get 1 frame of black in between. obviously this doesn't look so good, does anyone know what causes this and how to fix it? Thaks


pandigital
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Jun 12, 2007, 7:52 AM

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You could try using a Jump actor with 0.1 sec xfade time.


Mark Coniglio
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Jun 12, 2007, 8:22 AM

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Usually this has to do with the ordering of the actors. Isadora executes the actors in a Scene from top to bottom. If the actors are exactly the same level vertically, then they are executed from left to right.

Consider the following setup:



The order in which these actors are executed is:

1) Projector
2) Dots
3) Movie Player (sends frame 1 of video to Dots)

at the time that the Projector actor is executed, it has no image. In other words, it will produce a black frame, because the Movie Player has not yet been executed. Thus, you get a black frame.

On the next cycle, Step 1 will produce an image because the Projector has the video frame from the previous cycle -- in other words you get to see frame 1 of the video. Then, on step 3, the Movie Player sends out frame 2 of the video, on the subsequent cycle, you see this frame, and so on.

This mechanism on how Isadora executes actors is not really documented well in the manual. But as users have become more sophisticated it has become more important.

FWIW, I'm planning to make a change in the way this works before 1.3 gets released. It will use a different model for how the video is "pulled" into the Projector, and ensure you don't get the black frame.

But for now, you need to consider the order of the actors, or use the quick Fade Time as suggested previously.

Best Wishes,
Mark

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pandigital
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Jun 12, 2007, 1:14 PM

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If the actors are exactly the same level vertically, then they are executed from left to right.


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The order in which these actors are executed is:

1) Projector
2) Dots
3) Movie Player (sends frame 1 of video to Dots)



Isn't that from right to left ?



(This post was edited by pandigital on Jun 12, 2007, 3:22 PM)


nick
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Jun 12, 2007, 1:30 PM

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Yes, cos they are not at exactly the same level vertically - the projector is the highest (so comes first), follwed by dots as it the next highest, then the movie player as it is lowest.
Cheers

Nick


pandigital
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Jun 12, 2007, 3:25 PM

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ah thanks for clarifying - I was missing the obvious and thinking level had to do with having actors in series or parallel...


BrunoBruno
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Jun 13, 2007, 6:03 PM

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I am still getting a frame of black incosistently on some of my scene jump. I tried using a 0.1 sec xfade on the jump actors but I still get a frame of black on the transition.

Also when i do a crossfade it does not look very smooth, the overall image gets darker to make the transition then fades back up at the end. Is there away to adust the opacity curves for the Xfade in the jump actor?


william
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Jun 13, 2007, 11:01 PM

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Bruno - what sort of computer are you using?


Mark Coniglio
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Jun 14, 2007, 4:49 AM

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It can be diffuclt to get rid of the black frame if there is any sort of feedback in the patch... is this the case?

In any case, try this: to trigger the jump, trigger the Activate Scene Actor first, then use a trigger delay to delay the jump by 0.1 S. Maybe this will solve the problem for now.

Best,
Mark

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